​Dont Pass/DC

​The Dark Side
Laying odds against the points 6 and 8 is for the most part relatively easy as they are not wagered with much confidence in winning as the 6 & 8 can roll five ways each against the six ways of the 7 but sometimes these players will 'stack it up' on you. It pays good. High risk high reward. Can get crazy at times.

But before we go down that road we need to know what the maximum lay odds limit is. Let's say a casino allows 5X Odds. Let's say I bet $5 on pass line and and $25 odds. The odds pay $30. Well, that $30 would be the limit on a $5 flat bet 2x odds LAY bet on the DONT PASS / DC against points 6 or 8

Let's say it's a 10x odds casino and I bet $5 on the pass line and take $50 odds which pay $60 - I could lay up to $60 to win $50 at 10 x odds with a $5 flat bet.

​In the case of the common 3-4-5 X Odds many casinos have, you can Lay up to 6X the Don't Pass & DC bet after any Point. 

Simply reverse the flat bet and think if the player were betting on the pass line, how much can they bet limit in odds? What would that limit amount pay? That number would be maximum LAY odds same flat bet amount. 

 
Laying the odds 6:5 on point 6 or 8
Breaking Down Difficult Bets
 
Next, we peek at laying odds on the point of 6 or 8. The player will bet 6 to win 5. Many experienced dealers will tell you "not to worry about this because players very rarely lay odds on 6 or 8 and when they do, they lay simple numbers". To a degree they are correct, however; as a professional craps dealer you are expected to know how to pay each and every bet that may come your way.

The good news is that most dark side players know what they are doing.
The bad news is that novice players need to be monitored to insure their bets are proper increments of six.
 
 
Same theory here as with all the odds math. Learning the" First Nine”
​will give you confidence and the ability to pay any bet , at any rate of return.
 
LEARN TO BREAK A BET DOWN
 
Meaning the player bets 6 wins 5
 
The first nine bets 6x1 thru 6x9  Moving a decimal point is all we are doing. With knowledge of the "first nine" and what they pay - you can pay any bet ! Just ' break it down'.
Example:
 
Lay 6 to win 5
 
  6 pays 5
12 pays 10
18 pays 15 
24 plays 20
30 pays 25
36 pays 30
42 pays 35
48 pays 40
54 pays 45
 
Laying odds on point 6 or 8
Examples of breaking a bet down

Lay 66 to win 55
Simple bet here. Each 6 pays 5
All you have to do is look at it.
But its two bets
a $60 bet and a $6 bet
I just "broke it down"
60 pays 50 
6 pays 5

Lay 78 pays 65
Within the $78
you have a $60 bet and a $18 bet
60 pays 50
18 pays 15
50 + 15 = 65
(If 6 pays 5 then 60 pays 50)

Not too many dark side players are going to purposely wager $78 to win $65 but from time to time some of these players will chunk a big stack of red down for odds. 

​Lay 90 pays 75
Within the $90 you have a $60 bet and a $30 bet
60 pays 50
30 pays 25 
​
Let's do some more...

Lay 96 pays 80
60 pays 50
36 pays 30
50 + 30 =80

Let's turn it up a notch...
Stare at the first five with a zero

• 60 pays 50
• 120 pays 100
• 180 pays 150 
• 240 plays 200
• 300 pays 250

You'll be paying mostly in this range
So, let's play with the 120 pays 100

Lay 132 pays 110
Within the $132
you have a $120 bet and a $12 bet
120 pays 100,
12 pays 10 

Lay 144 pays 120
Within the $144 
you have a $120 bet and a $24 bet
120 pays 100
24 pays 20

Lay 150 pays 125
(6 green pays 5 green)
Within the $150 
you have a $120 bet and a $30 bet
120 pays 100
30 pays 25

Lay 150 to win 125 you'll see a lot

Lay 210 pays 175
Within the $210
you have a $180 bet and a $30 bet
180 pays 150
30 pays 25

​Lay 270 pays 225
Within the $270
you have a $240 bet and a $30 bet
240 pays 200
30 pays 25

Lay 282 pays 235
Within the $282
you have a $240 bet and a $42 bet
240 pays 200
42 pays 35
I seen this one stacked up.
The dealer ran it down as
240 pays 200
30 pays 25
12 pays 10
normally you won't see too many bets like that one. The player was betting the field and chunking what he won on top of his lay odds.

We'll do a couple more

Lay 330 pays 275
Within the $330 you have a $300 bet and a $30 bet
(300=250, 30=25 -  250+25=275)
 
390=325
Within the $390 you have a $360 bet and a $30 bet
(360=300, 30=25 -  300+25=325)

450=375
Within the $450 you have a $300 bet and a $150 bet
300=250,  90=75 (250+75=325)
 
570=475
Within the $570 you have a $540 bet and a $30 bet
(540=450, 30=25 -  450+25=475)
It can get crazy.

Lay 900 pays 750
Within the $900 you have a $600 bet and a $300 bet
600 pays 500
300 pays 250

​6 pays 5 / 600 pays 500
12 pays 10 / 1200 pays 1000
18 pays 15 / 1800 pays 1500
24 plays 20 / 2400 pays 2000
30 pays 25  / 3000 pays 2500.....

9IMPROPER BETS
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Lay 6 to win 5
DP/DC

Example:
Lay 20 pays 16
Player LAYS $20 in odds.
18 pays 15
the remaining $2 pays $1
15 + 1 = 16

Huh? 2 pays 1?
Yup
$1.20 within pays $1
(12 pays 10, 120 pays 100)
That $2 bites many new dealers who don't consider anything less than 6 pays 5

Let's do another....
35 Pays 29
Player LAYS $35 in odds.
Maybe you thought it was 30 whatever
I see 30 paying 25
the 5 that remains pays 4
Huh?
Yup
Because within that remaining $5 is a $4.80 bet that pays $4 lol
48 pays 40 gang. 480 pays 400
oh and $4.80 pays $4.00 
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Yes, some box supervisors allow players to bet whatever they want.
​Why?...... Why not?

If a player asks what the proper amount should be, by all means tell them. But if they don't ask, leave them be. Let them have fun. Sometimes a dealer who is only trying to help injects themself into "advising" players proper bet amounts may make the player feel stupid and they leave the game to go play blackjack or slots. But if the box wants proper increments of six then do just that. 

Some players don't want an education on how to play craps while they are on vacation. That's why some box supervisors aren't worried if the bet is proper or not. They will figure it out. No big deal. If the Lay Odds is over limit, the overage is paid as a bet to lose Lay 5% as we discussed in Chapter 7. There is a popular bet in there as it pertains to Lay 6 & 8 that is cool. Go read about that when you get a chance.

Don't be afraid of the dark.